Sidecar Championhip?

The way I see it is the twinshock sidecar scene is very fragmented,will the clubs continue running a sidecar class with small entries?
A suggestion organise a sidecar championship that is split between all federations at the most suitable tracks.3 race format, 1 class at the moment as we dont no numbers,open to all sidecars say up to 95,but in that race score the different classes seperatly,classes could be pre85 fourstroke twins and brit engines/pre 95 two stroke and fourstroke.A sponser may provide trophies/monies at the end of the championship.It can be run at exsiting races welsh series/pre65 club/ frome/farleigh/oxford twinshocks/south hants.The ideal cordinator could be DOUG WOODS .
My lightweight project has been canceled due to a direction change.
Suggestion please!

My opinion. Can`t ever see it happening in that format. If the twinshocks wanted to race with mono pre95 outfits, they would buy a mono outfit. None of us want to be pushed about by a modern machine trying to be a GP star. We ride for fun, with a bit of spirit. This is exactly what everyone has been talking about. You will kill off Twinshock sidecars AGAIN.
Not knocking what you are trying to do paul, as i think the sport (twinshock) needs a central championship to bring us back together as before (talkingpoint) but keeping it as a twinshock only championship.
Can`t see any AMCA club running a round. Go`s against there rule book.
Who wants to ride a track thats been cut to *uc* by the moderns ? unless you run the day before as Ken Hall.
Yes Doug Woods is the man to cordinate things, thats something he would be GOOD at.

According to Scott coordination is not something I am good at.
A 4 round ACU twinshock championship is in the pipeline, watch this space. And no mono's.

I understand what you say about riding with more modern bikes,but the intension is to encourage newcomers into sidecars.A twinshock outfit still holds its money,a modern outfit is expensive but a evo sidecar can be brought quite cheaply.It is not the intension for a modern day racer to buy a evo and start riding that.The idea is for newcomers to have somewhere to ride.If the twinshock teams are happy to stay in there own areas ,the same tracks,same competition then so be it.Will the clubs carry on a sidecar class if entries fall.Isnt it better to have one better supported events than two on the same day.Do the various AMCA/ORPA organisers talk to one another about dates?

Seems you are trying to parm all the up and coming new MODERN crews onto the twinshock scene. so whats wrong with all the new comers buying a twinshock and riding twinshock meetings, failing that and lack of second hand twinnys , let them ride there evo`s with you modern boys, in the British Championship, UMX, etc. score them seperatly, let them get in your way, we do not need them. 20 plus on line at mortimer, 20 plus on line at Bath, Hanbury, Llantony, 20 plus at the Ken Hall, 20 plus at the Bill Turner. where the problem, ?? full line up.
Think the problem lies with you moderns, lack of meetings and entrys, more and more trying to come over to Twinshocks for more rides. You need the EVO`S to make your numbers up.
Will agree, all the clubs are fragmented, due to loyalty, cost of fuel (traveling), and the fact not everyone wants to do every meeting. With 25 plus meeting a year in the UK aloan, they have a choice.
AMCA sort there dates . thats it, there will always be clashes, look at the ACU trying to stage a British Championship on the same day as the Mortimer 75th. (silly) even recall someone on the sidecar forum suggesting Mortimer moves date. Glad they did`nt or you boys (passengers) would of missed out on rides.
It will always be a problem to please everyone.
But to suggest mono`s are needed to keep Twins alive.

Sounds like we are trying to fix something that aint broke!!! And i'm never wrong remember that... love you all

So the twinshock meetings are full and well attended, I am obviously stupid in thinking otherwise.The British Championship has been nearly full ,the umx runs mostly full.But as you say your races are full then there can be no room for newcomers.I personally think twinshock races should only be twinshocks ie pre 84 fourstroke/twins/british engines but you may have to diversify to survive, but no sorry i forgot your entries are full Iam stupid.
I will ride at some twinshock meetings next year on my pre 84 fourstroke twinshock twin ,must remember to get my entry in early as meetings are full!

Perhaps try the pre 65 club, sometimes they have places, but be warned, they close at 18. so you may be reserve. And yes, this does happen.

what yer sayin Kev, do you mean that after waiting 22 years to race me old yam wasp again and driving all the way from France i might not get a ride

hey, if you got a twinshock, and an early entry, you will always get a ride.

Blimey, this all got a bit exciting whilst I was looking the other way.

Some top ideas from Paul, don't think he was trying to kill off twin-shocks at all, more like trying to help the sport. Given all the work he does for the sport I can't help feel it was a little cheeky to suggest it...

Some basic points - Twin Shock outfits that are 100% within the rules tend to be expensive or going to cost a serious amount to get to a rideable condition. This is not accessible to all.
There are loads of late 80's and early 90's outfits out there which are cheap to buy and cheaper to fix due to more easily available parts.
There are also a good number of people who still have these bikes and are interested in riding them but do not wish to run in the modern class at the moment or in some cases on the more extreme modern tracks. This tends to be either becuase they do not wish for the more intense competition of the modern class or due to lack of experience.

An evo class may give an option for these bikes and people to get out and ride without the pressure of straight in at the deep end in a modern class. (Or the physical demands of longer races on tougher tracks).

I think the logic behind Pauls comment to run with the Pre84's is a good one for those reasons. The tracks are often less severe and the atmosphere is generally more relaxed and less intimidating for new/inexperienced teams. Those who want to progress in the modern class will inevitably move that way, those who like the layout and format will stay put and maybe even look for a Pre84 bike.

Running in the same race could be an issue for the reasons stated in earlier posts, especially if the Pre84 class is always full ;-). (If not making up the numbers with some evo's may be ok?? Although I understand that would never happen with full line ups!) Otherwise another class in another race would seem to be the way to go... I see people saying organisers would not run another class, but has anyone asked? What this needs is someone with the time and effort to get a pilot meeting or two organised, along with some basic rules of what is eligable... (although maybe not 100% needed as Pre84 hasn't managed to totally define that yet and seem to be doing ok and it gives us something to chat about on here! ;-) ).

If there are takers and a general interest perhaps this is a new area of the sport which would grow and bring even more people in to something which is a lot of fun. If we try and it fails at least we know where we stand.

If damage to the tracks is an issue as stated before then perhaps look to meetings with a solo evo class as starter, am damn sure they chew up the track more than an evo chair (Jumbo excluded from that!).

Obviously some clubs won't want to know, Pre65 for example only runs solo's up to Pre74, with no Evo class, so Evo chairs there would be doubtful... but there are some people out there I am sure who may be open to suggestion?

To rule this out becuase we don't like the idea or the thought of the bikes which "killed off" the big twins would be bloody short sighted really, it wasn't long ago twin shock numbers were low and needed a boost, things could go back that way again with people ageing and bikes getting more expensive to maintain and buy. The more people and bikes there are out there and the more meetings of any era the better and stronger the whole sport will be as long as we all work together and talk to each other.

Just a few thoughts from me... And sorry for the humor guys, no offence meant to anyone!

Cheers

Dave

Keep it comming boys an girls, good debate. and yes , needs sorting, whatever is said. right or wrong . we ALL have twinshock and modern racing at heart. just have diff ways of expressing it.