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Re: International Championship

Post  sidecargezzer on Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:03 pm

doogle wrote:
sidecargezzer wrote:ok, silly question,,,,maybe? would my 84 EML with a 72 Kawi triple fit in? I know it's an odd combo, but>>>>> just asking

Definately.
In fact I heard it's compulsory to have one out there....
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Re: International Championship

Post  shepherd on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:01 pm

sidecargezzer wrote:ok, silly question,,,,maybe? would my 84 EML with a 72 Kawi triple fit in? I know it's an odd combo, but>>>>> just asking

Oh YES please,, thats what classic racing is all about, to many riders look at classics as just a way of winning trophies, the spectators dont think that way, they want to see something different, classic, unusual, traditional, the sounds, smells & sights of yesteryear, the pits are buzzing with people getting a close look at the machinery,
Bring out the triple and let us hear her scream.

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Re: International Championship

Post  sidecargezzer on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:08 pm

thanks for the encouragement, I have great memories of hearing the triples and the big Honda 4's, along with the Nortons and other combo's. If this is coming together I need to get started on finding funding.....
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Twinshock Rules - an alternative view

Post  kernel on Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:55 pm

I've done a lot of reading of various rules regarding classic machinery, in particular the Classic Racing Motorcycle Club rules. Very definitive; but here are a couple of thoughts for you:

Engines: (This is from the Grand Prix Classic Eligibility) : The external appearance of the engine must be maintained as per the original engine manufacturers specification - the internal specification is free from restriction

Carbs - No restriction in size but must be of the type used (How many of you are using modern 'pumper' carbs?)

Sidecar Frames: Are to be of tubular construction, and if not constructed within the classic period must give all reasonable appearance of belonging to that period.

There are lots of rules about shocks/brakes etc. My personal opinion is that period shiocks and brakes are fine on period tracks, but if we are to ride modern circuits then better shocks and brakes are a must.

Thought: There is a finite pool of 'classic chassis' out there and they are progressively more bent and welded. Even a modern Wasp chassis is by definition a replica as it does not use the same tube type as the original. I've measured several outfits, both classic and modern, they're all pretty similar and very few classic outfits are entirely original; (how many tubes do you replace on a chassis before it is not original?)

Surely there is a way in which we can have a championship that is inclusive, not exclusive; even if it means running two classes, (1. original chassis, 2. new build chassis) - after all, organisers want a full line up, the public want a full line up; and if I'm not mistaken, most of you just want to race your motorbikes.

I've had a stab at some CRMC style regs that might reasonably allow as many people as possible to race. You'd all be on the line together, it's just that an Rotax powered new build would not be competing for the same trophy as an RT2/Triumph. Multi disciplinary events work in many sports; why not ours?

I now take to my bunker for the inevitable flak - and remember; We no longer burn heretics in this country.


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Re: International Championship

Post  thumper98 on Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:50 pm

Kernel

In my humble opinion I believe that there should be 2 classes. One class that have not been modified (obviously repairs etc allowed) so completely period pre 85. The other class for outfits with post 85 modifications whether it be engine, engine mods outside that period, carbs, brakes and suspension. If the track is too jumpy or bumpy for the old shocks or brakes slow down!

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Re: International Championship

Post  Dave Tye on Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:44 pm

Quick question on this... I have a DR600 sitting around, that is certainly period (even have the log book showing 1983) and there is one racing Pre65 Club events as well, why would this not qualify?

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Re: International Championship

Post  papsck on Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:18 am

The intension of this championship is for twins /multies.Yes the dr600 is pre 84,but so is an air cooled jumbo and that cant do a pre65 club meeting.This championship is intended for proper twinshocks that were actually raced pre84.Anyone use a dr600 pre84?
Now how about a dr big which I think is a 800cc single ,based around a dr600.

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Re: International Championship

Post  sidekick39ish on Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:00 am

Loads of single twinshocks used pre 84.

"This championship is intended for proper twinshocks that were actually raced pre84"

here are just a few that you may remember. so the above argument does not really wash. these were propper twinshocks actually raced in the UK pre 84.



paul cooper. yamaha 495wasp. 1983.
steve Duncan. ktm 495 wasp. 1983.
john Craggs. maico 490 wasp. 1983.
Chris etheridge. kawasaki 450 wasp. 1983.
Trevor dane. honda 480 hooker. 1983.
Graham jones. 490 yam hooker. 1982
billy lee. maico 490.
barry nutley. kawasaki wasp 500. 1982
john elliott. maico 600 apollo. 1982
terry hedges. yamaha 500 wasp. 1982
Tony hall. ktm 495 wasp. 1982
nick thompson. yamaha 490 TBH. 1982
Alan smallbones. ccm 580 wasp. 1976.
mick holloway. ccm 608. 1974.
terry rowing. huskvarna 460. 1974.
john elliott. huskvarna 501. 1972.
Roger Martin. BSA. 475. 1971.

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Re: International Championship

Post  papsck on Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:41 am

As i said twins/multies.

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Re: International Championship

Post  sidekick39ish on Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:50 am

You asked if anyone used a DR 600 pre 84. answer NO.
So i`m asking . can i use a yamaha 495 engine. And YES they were used.
My good friend phil Rogers still has his sat in the garage.

Its period, more so than yours and others, with moded supsention etc.

Seems to be a one-man crusade to ban singles that were used.


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Re: International Championship

Post  shepherd on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:06 am

I think anything raced pre 85 should be eligible,,



I have a pre 85 wasp twinshock lightweight rolling chassis which I have never riden, would very much like to get it out, just need a 490 yam motor:lol!:
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Re: International Championship

Post  sidekick39ish on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:16 am


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Re: International Championship

Post  papsck on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:25 am

As I have said for this championship twins/multies.There are probably quite a few eligable singles.If you want to include singles go ahead and organise an international championship to include them.

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Re: International Championship

Post  shepherd on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:32 am

sidekick39ish wrote:
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Re: International Championship

Post  sidekick39ish on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:44 am


Was sitting on the fence. !! now watching from above or is that below. !!!





Paul you have your reasons. good luck with the championship. I think we will all support you if we can.

now lets consintrate on ENGLAND.

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Re: International Championship

Post  Dave Tye on Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:36 pm

Guessing now is not a good time to point out Dr Big (DR800 Version... And also the DR650 version...) were post made post 84 so would not be allowed anyhow... ;-)

Sorry Paul, do get your point, I was just curious as to if this would be considered. We do appreciate the work and will certainly support where possible

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