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Post  sidekick39ish Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:15 pm

From John Caffrey To sidekick39ish, Tue 31 May 2011 - 13:11

Here are the results of the 3 COUNTIES Sidecar races on 30th May 2011 and WELSH CHAMPIONSHIP update.

A super venue unfortunately spoilt by heavy overnight rain which turned the track into the SOMME ! After a few laps the outfits were steering themselves - in a direction decided by which wheel was clogged up ! Real shame as the track was fast, flowing and interesting with plenty of places to overtake, sorry for the Club who put a lot of effort into it, even providing a FREE Pig Roast and a fantastic Classic Double Decker BAR for Sunday evening. Thanks all !

Due to the clogging mud ( didn`t people use mud & straw to build wattle & daub walls ??) only one Block of racing was classified as follows .............

1st ( 23) Paul Harker & Richard Brindsen (*)
2nd (112) Ross Chivers & Glen Restrick
3rd (417) Andy Carter & Leigh Carter
4th ( 42) John Caffrey & Tim Bodfish
5th ( 11) Will Acock & Rob Coles (*)
6th (138) Tony Beeching & Dan Chivers (*)
7th (462) Dale Baker & Scott Baker (*)
(*) denotes riders not registered for Welsh Championship.

WELSH SIDECAR CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER TWO ROUNDS
Round One + Round Two = Total Points
1st (42) John Caffrey & Tim Bodfish 65 25 = 90
2nd (224) Shane Horton & Paul Horton 87 = 87
3rd (112) Ross Chivers & Glen Restrick 52 30 = 82
4th ( 98) Andrew Smith & Amanda Smith 73 = 73
5th (111) Charlie Chivers & Dan Chivers 55 = 55
6th ( 22) Adam Longmore & Mike Snow 36 = 36
7th (417) Andy Carter & Leigh Carter 27 = 27
8th (722) Bryan Bodfish & Rosie Jackson 16 = 16
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Post  Leigh Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:16 pm

Can anyone shed some light on the points for this meeting...we actually completed TWO blocks of racing, not one???

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Post  adam Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:28 pm

Only one block to count as the 2nd block was not completed,,,Abandoned with still 4 races left in the block...
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Post  sidekick39ish Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:38 am

Yes, we DID go out in a second block but the decision of the Steward, the Clerk of the Course and Bryan (our sidecar co-ordinator) was to only count the first block for points as "only half the 2nd block was completed". I offered to put the sidecar results on the forum this year as I have a computer and up to now have had them on the site the day after each event - I don`t have any say in the results !

not sure who sent this to me in private messages, but can you plz regester and post yourself thanks. i`m the one that puts them on next day for you . (last time i do it)



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Post  John Caffrey Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:06 pm

John Caffrey wishes to be forgiven for sending his "reply re Three Counties results" to Sidekicks PRIVATE box by mistake - I still can`t get used to telephones without wires so the computer is really frightening. Will try to submit remaining results correctly in future having just been given instructions by Mr Longmore himself. Not sure I can trust him though as each time I follow his "tips" I end up on a PORN channel !

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Post  Leigh Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:42 pm

Correction to points will be made. The clerk or course and stewards had no say in the ammendment to not include 2nd block points and hence they will be included.

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Post  adam Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:49 pm

Spoke to clerk of the course and the other steward plus the club members. The clubs line is that one block will be scored...
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Post  halfmanhalfgorilla Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:00 pm

As club chairman id like to reinforce what longmore said.All parties who have any say in the matter have been contacted and a decision made. First block ONLY to count in results towards the welsh championship 2011.
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Post  Leigh Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:53 pm

I think one of your club members needs to go on a stewards course because apparently you dont know what your doing. There is a code of practice set out by the AMCA, of whom you are running your meeting under, and yet you are not adhering to them. Neither of the stewards were consulted of this decision so I think you ought to talk this matter through with the AMCA before you make up your own rules.

AMCA official rule book
section SR4
A ' the stewards of a meeting exercise judicial authority over the running of the meeting according to the application of these regulations and any supplementary regulations issued'

This affects all riders concerned with the welsh championship and I dont understand why these riders should be penalised for supporting the championship AND your meeting.

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Post  adam Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:00 pm

I don't want to keep getting in to this Leigh. If anyone thinks it needed a meeting of anyone to put an end to the meeting then they are deluded! We had over 200+ vehicles in that field if we didn't start getting them out asap we would have had a massive problem, the two tractors we had struggled to clear that paddock as it was. I have had no one else contact me over this. I have spoken to Clerk of the course and the other steward and they have no problem with it. And as far as our club not knowing what we are doing, I think that you are in the minority with that one.We put on a good meeting with good support and very good feedback, just a shame its come to this .. It was the right decision on a very Extreme day... Thank you for your support... Resukts 3 counties 30th may 2011 61837
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Post  Leigh Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:11 pm

Im sorry Adam, but I think this needs clarifying. I am not questioning your decision to cancel the meeting after the 2nd block of racing. I actually think under the very trying conditions due to the weather that you did a good job and I really did enjoy the meeting and riding more than I have done in a long time. I felt the track rode really well and I thoroughly enjoyed the dirt and sliding to go with it.

What does trouble me somewhat is that after the 2nd block was run and we left, as a club you decided not to include the points for that 2nd block. I fully understand that alot of people didnt ride in it because of the weather, but that was their decision and I dont want to be penalised for not only starting the race but actually finishing it too! It was tough to get around and I am not trying to discredit your club for the conditions. The weather was crap. End of it.

BUT as a welsh championship meeting and being the club holding it, you are the ones responsible to put the points forward for those riders that rode there and earned them. There are alot of people who are being punished by the fact that you decided, without the consent of either of the stewards, to with-hold those points. This is the only thing I have an issue with and Andy Carter too as my dad but also as one of the stewards who was not consulted.

I dont want to argue about it, but this concerns alot of people and I feel its right to get it sorted out. So we are agreed I hope that this is not about the cancelling of it....but about the points. Thats the only reason I am saying that you dont know what you are doing because you cant make them kinds of decisions Adam.

Ross Chivers deserves 30 points for the 2nd race, he earned them fairly and should be in 1st overall consequantly in the championship. John Caffrey also deserves points, and me also. Not to mention Sam gittoes, Simon Chell, Andy Mills, Nick richards.....and all the other solo boys that are unhappy at coming to support your meeting and the championship but have effectively been robbed.

I do not wish to argue and I certainly dont want to go over it repeatedly adam. We are all in this sport for the fun of it and I thought we were all mates. I would like you to re-consider the decision to only award points for the first block of racing. Alot of people, as you said, enjoyed your meeting, and I am one of those people. I had a fantastic time, and I worked hard for those 27 points the same as everyone else did who rode, but why would we want to support your meeting again if you wont award us what we won?

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Post  adam Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:40 pm

Nothing was gained nothing was lost... Its folks like the husband and wife team on the Norton i forget there names, They were knocked out of the race by the track ropes being dragged across the track after the course had been cut that i feel for....It was just carnage ... nobody gained and nobody lost..I just knock the posts in for the club, this is wat we decided as a club so that is all i have to say on it..
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Post  Leigh Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:46 pm

Ill let you tell that to the solo's and sidecars that lose a place in the championship because they lost them points from the 2nd race. Andy and amanda got caught up in the ropes and yes I feel for them but thats the luck of the draw. Its racing. But this isnt your decision to make Adam. If you wont talk reason to me then talk to dad or the AMCA. But them points need to be included and that is all I or dad have to say on the matter. The race was run, at a championship meeting, so it was a championship race and points are awarded for that. You did not specify before we started the 2nd block that it would not be awarded points so you cant change it now, I wouldnt have bothered risking ruining my bike if Id have know that.

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Post  Leigh Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:59 pm

This is a message from dad, Andy Carter. You requested his services as a Steward to represent the AMCA and officiate at your meeting. All he is asking is that you submit the points from the 2nd block of racing that you ran to the welsh championship organisers, Jim Evans and Bryan Bodfish. He feels that as the official Steward of your meeting, that it is his duty to chase up this dispute on behalf of the riders that it is affecting. If you have a problem with him or with his decision on the matter then please take it up with the AMCA. He is more than happy to drive to cannock and voice his opinion on the matter to them if necessary. But it is his opinion and also of the second steward, that TWO blocks were run and under no other instruction from the club about the 2nd block not counting toward the championship previous to the running of that block of racing, that the points should therefore be included. He is only adhering to the code of practice set out by the AMCA for stewards.

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Post  adam Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:03 pm

Lose a place???? oh dear... Like i said to Andy if its nothing to do with the club why are you banging on at me it doesn't make sense... I didn't even get to ride you don't hear me banging on ... p.s There was 3 of us in the Welsh Champs that did all the rounds last year and we finished 1st 2nd 3rd and i'm dire!!!! I have nothing else to offer on it.. still no calls from anyone else by the way.. I will leave it with you.... Resukts 3 counties 30th may 2011 61837
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Post  Leigh Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:12 pm

As the most frequent member of the 3 counties club on this forum, I am directing at you. It is not wholly you that this is directed at, but your club that you represent.
Your club made a decision to not include the points, a decision that it is not permitted to make, be it the chairman, secretary, treasurer, members or post bangers. Perhaps you should inform the people within your club whom it does concern so that you can address the situation as a club.

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Post  adam Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:32 pm

You know the clubs line on it.. Thats all i can offer.... If its nothing to do with us and by the sound of it you know who finished where, why are you still banging on ????? I'm lost and bored..... And please tell Andy im only a phone call away... Good luck Resukts 3 counties 30th may 2011 61837
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Post  sidekick39ish Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:52 pm

As someone sitting on the fence lookin in. May i suggest a sollution to this problem. !!!!!!!
A mud wrestleing competition. The lovley Liegh in one corner and the bearded badboy Adam in the other corner. Linda L could ref.
The winner decides the fait of the champ points.
now thats sorted, just need to decide on a venue and date of this event.
Tickets on sale now.
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Post  halfmanhalfgorilla Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:15 pm

The situation has nothing to do with you leigh as you were not a official on the day,Your dad has my phone number so he is able to raise his concern in the proper way rather than causing a public slanging match.For any others who have a concern with anything to do with the way the meeting was run feel free to phone me on 07979 831 140.The club made the decision based on the fact we were told by the clerk of the course and another steward both who officiated at the event that it was down to the club to make a decision on the situation.The decision was made and as a club, it will remain the final line that ONLY THE FIRST BLOCK WILL COUNT TOWARDS POINTS.Hope to hear from all concered parties asap as this slanging match is doing no benefits for the sport.
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Post  millsa10 Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:02 pm

I would just like to add a comment about the results that have been counted towards the welsh championship. Some of these results are wrong. Jim Evans and Mike Fitch can only use the results that come from the club and riders are losing points or gaining points when they should not. My Father (Andy Mills) has lost points from the twinshock race. He came 1st was awarded the 1st place roset on the day but only scored 2nd place points as this is where the club say he came. Its rather disheartening when such effort was put in to even finish the race with the course and weather conditions. If the points can not be rectified people are going to loose confidence with the club.

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Post  halfmanhalfgorilla Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:15 pm

whats your dads riding number so i can chase this up?
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Post  millsa10 Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:20 pm

300, much appreciated

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Post  halfmanhalfgorilla Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:51 pm

have checked the lapscoring sheets and it says your dad finished 2nd behind dan evans who fiished first and the error is with the awarding ov the rossetes,my apologies for the error.
After contacting the amca today i have there official stance on the matter.the decision regarding how many blocks count towards any champioship points lies with the club and as long as the championship co ordiators are happy with the club decision then that is the final say and the amca will and have backed it.it was the only option that would be fair on all riders otherwise the pre 68 ulimited,pre 75 over 250 and twinshocks wouldnt ov scored any points as the block was cut short.
Hopefully this will be the end of an hostilities
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Post  sidekick39ish Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:15 pm

Does this mean the mud wrestleing will have to be cancelled ???? KP has bought a ringside seat, oh bollocks , will have to give him a refund now .

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Post  Twinshock 10 Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:18 pm

Let's have an outbreak of love and peace - there's enough rioting going on just now

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